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Douchebag | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:12 pm | ||
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm Posts: 43293 | Why would the Buffalo Bills want to trade for a hockey player? _________________ Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it? | ||
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SomeGuy | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:14 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:09 am Posts: 19926 pizza_Place: Papa Johns | Kane is bad and overrated. Who would give up anything meaningful for him? | ||
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bigfan | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:22 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:00 pm Posts: 40984 Location: Chicago pizza_Place: Lou Malanati's | SomeGuy wrote: Kane is bad and overrated. Who would give up anything meaningful for him? Not saying he is overrated, but his hometown....sure looks like they would pay for him.... _________________ | ||
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Darkside | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:23 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am Posts: 65201 Location: Darkside Estates pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree. | Terrible idea. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014 bigfan wrote: Many that is true, but an incomplete statement. | ||
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IMU | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:25 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am Posts: 25181 Location: Cultural Mecca pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's | Darkside wrote: Terrible idea. You know the salary cap situation the Hawks are in. What is Bowman going to do? _________________ | ||
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Darkside | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:26 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am Posts: 65201 Location: Darkside Estates pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree. | IMU wrote: Darkside wrote: Terrible idea. You know the salary cap situation the Hawks are in. What is Bowman going to do? Enjoy his 3rd cup. Retool. Do it again in a couple years. Just like the last couple times. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014 bigfan wrote: Many that is true, but an incomplete statement. | ||
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bigfan | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:27 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:00 pm Posts: 40984 Location: Chicago pizza_Place: Lou Malanati's | Darkside wrote: Terrible idea. You dont even have the other side of the deal......lol....? They arent trading him before this series is over...so you get a 3rd cup, maybe he has 2 great games, his value is sky high.... Saves on Cap space, keep a number of other players, load up with more talent. So, there is NOTHING YOU WOULD TRADE HIM FOR? _________________ | ||
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IMU | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:28 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am Posts: 25181 Location: Cultural Mecca pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's | Darkside wrote: IMU wrote: Darkside wrote: Terrible idea. You know the salary cap situation the Hawks are in. What is Bowman going to do? Enjoy his 3rd cup. Retool. Do it again in a couple years. Just like the last couple times. The Hawks have 0 Cups with Toews and Kane each having $10.5M cap hits. Look, I love the last 2 Cups and hopefully we'll have another party shortly...but that is some serious $$$ locked up in two players. The cap did not go up as expected. _________________ | ||
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Darkside | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:31 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am Posts: 65201 Location: Darkside Estates pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree. | Biggie, I don't need the other side of the deal. Kane is better than a couple first rounders. No question. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014 bigfan wrote: Many that is true, but an incomplete statement. | ||
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IMU | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:40 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am Posts: 25181 Location: Cultural Mecca pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's | We're not discussing trading Toews. _________________ | ||
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Hussra | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:23 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:45 am Posts: 16316 pizza_Place: Salerno's | Seem to recall Kane saying he'd like to play for his hometown team at some point in his career. Possibly in the same interview in which he said he'd not want to play for Detroit. Kane left Buffalo to play juniors hockey at age 9 around Detroit/Ann Arbor, as one of the commenters on this Buffalo newspaper piece on Kane notes: | ||
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cpguy | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:26 pm | ||
Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:08 pm Posts: 5753 Location: Crown Point, IN pizza_Place: Beggars | No way do I trade Kane even for 3 number 1's. I understand the argument but I think they can contend for more cups with Kane/Toews/Teuvo/Keith, etc. | ||
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Hockey Gay | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:40 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:55 am Posts: 9340 pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's | Yikes | ||
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Joe Orr Road Rod | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:48 pm | |||
Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am Posts: 78532 Location: Chicago Heights pizza_Place: Aurelio's | Darkside wrote: Kane is better than a couple first rounders. I think that would depend on who those first rounders are, wouldn't it? I doubt they trade Kane but I wouldn't be completely shocked if they did. _________________ | |||
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Hussra | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:50 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:45 am Posts: 16316 pizza_Place: Salerno's | I don't see them trading either Toews or Kane. Scotty's doing what he did in Detroit--lock up a core long-term and then fill out the roster with younger, lower-cost players and higher-value veterans willing to take a reduced salary on a 1 or 2 year deal to have a chance at a Cup, eg, Hasek playing for $750K to get his 2nd Cup with Detroit. Kinda what you see with Richards and Timonen. Tho Richards is younger, and probably looking to parlay this season into one last multi-season deal with another team. Timonen's overpaid/over. Expecting to see some serious Cup hunters signing 1 year/$1 million dollar deals for a run at the Cup with the Blackhawks and Bowman this off-season. Last edited by Hussra on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:00 pm, edited 1 time in total. | ||
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Curious Hair | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:51 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm Posts: 54779 Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's | You'd have to ask for Eichel and Girgensons at the very least and add on from there. Buffalo wouldn't do it. They've spent years getting their ducks in a row for a full-scale cost-controlled rebuild; they're not going to torpedo it all just to get Patrick Kane in his late 20s/early 30s. Western New Yorkers support the Sabres damn well without a hometown hero. Kane's not going anywhere. _________________ Molly Lambert wrote: The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both. | ||
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Curious Hair | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:59 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm Posts: 54779 Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's | That being said, Buffalo is an ideal trade partner for other pieces like Bickell or Crawford, but not Kane. http://capfriendly.com/?p=team-cap&team ... o%20Sabres They're $9MM below the floor with 15 players signed. Johan Larsson may get a healthy raise, but they can afford to take on salary. Their goaltending situation is dire, and I'm sure they'd rather trade for Corey Crawford than sign Antti Niemi, given the choice. _________________ Molly Lambert wrote: The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both. | ||
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Hatchetman | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:01 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am Posts: 23917 pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place | Great sport! Gotta trade your most exciting player to get under the cap! _________________ | ||
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Curious Hair | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:05 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm Posts: 54779 Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's | Hatchetman wrote: Great sport! Gotta trade your most exciting player to get under the cap! You don't, won't, and can't. _________________ Molly Lambert wrote: The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both. | ||
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RFDC | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:10 pm | ||
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm Posts: 56374 | I would rather roll the dice with keeping Kane and Toews and letting Bowman retool things around them. _________________ Frank Coztansa wrote: I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogsh*t. | ||
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Curious Hair | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:15 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm Posts: 54779 Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's | RFDC wrote: I would rather roll the dice with keeping Kane and Toews and letting Bowman retool things around them. Exactly. Besides, Kane has a no-move clause on his current contract and his new contract. I don't expect him to waive it. And I know this is going to get me a landslide of sh*t from people thinking I'm going too hard on Kane like I do on Toews, but if Eichel is as good as advertised, his full career will be worth more to the Sabres (not the Bills, the Sabres) than the remainder of Kane's will. _________________ Molly Lambert wrote: The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both. | ||
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shakes | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:16 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:36 pm Posts: 16504 pizza_Place: Il Forno in Deerfield! | geez, talk about full on genius topic. First of all, Buffalo loves hockey and watches the SCF with or without Kane in it. Second of all, yea let's trade one of our big 3, a guy who was on his way to leading the league in scoring this year and is once again scoring in the playoffs. Yea, let's trade that guy cause of the cap. Third of all, Buffalo is in the early stages of a rebuild and has a stockpile of very young talent. By the time they are maturing Kane will be closing in on 30. So, from their end they have just as little interest in tradeing for Kane as we have for getting rid of him. And to top it off, there is no way they would trade their top draft pick this year straight up for Kane. Jack Eichel is going to be a grade A stud. No chance in hell they trade him for Kane. And on the flipside, the Hawks have no interest in that deal either despite how good Eichel projects...we are in win now mode. No need to trade a boat for a mystery box just because it might contain a similar or slightly better boat. Such a dumb post on so many levels. You only pay attention to the Hawks once every 2 years and only for the final series, please just sit back and enjoy it rather than trying so hard to make an ass of yourself. _________________ LTG wrote: Trae Young will be a bust. Book It! | ||
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shakes | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:17 pm | ||
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:36 pm Posts: 16504 pizza_Place: Il Forno in Deerfield! | IMU wrote: Darkside wrote: IMU wrote: Darkside wrote: Terrible idea. You know the salary cap situation the Hawks are in. What is Bowman going to do? Enjoy his 3rd cup. Retool. Do it again in a couple years. Just like the last couple times. The Hawks have 0 Cups with Toews and Kane each having $10.5M cap hits. Look, I love the last 2 Cups and hopefully we'll have another party shortly...but that is some serious $$$ locked up in two players. The cap did not go up as expected. You don't respond to the Cap crunch by trading away your studs. You trade away the role players and try to replace them with younger versions. Case in point, the Panerin signing. _________________ LTG wrote: Trae Young will be a bust. Book It! | ||
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badrogue17 | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:21 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm Posts: 38339 pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis | Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Darkside wrote: Kane is better than a couple first rounders. I think that would depend on who those first rounders are, wouldn't it? I doubt they trade Kane but I wouldn't be completely shocked if they did. I wouldn't deal Kris Bryant for him. _________________ It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes. | ||
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badrogue17 | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:25 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm Posts: 38339 pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis | Hussra wrote: I don't see them trading either Toews or Kane. Scotty's doing what he did in Detroit--lock up a core long-term and then fill out the roster with younger, lower-cost players and higher-value veterans willing to take a reduced salary on a 1 or 2 year deal to have a chance at a Cup, eg, Hasek playing for $750K to get his 2nd Cup with Detroit. Kinda what you see with Richards and Timonen. Tho Richards is younger, and probably looking to parlay this season into one last multi-season deal with another team. Timonen's overpaid/over. Expecting to see some serious Cup hunters signing 1 year/$1 million dollar deals for a run at the Cup with the Blackhawks and Bowman this off-season. I see it that way too. Maybe have a couple down years after this one while they retool. Be the Spurs of the NHL. _________________ It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes. | ||
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Seacrest | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:35 pm | |||
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm Posts: 37672 Location: Lovetron pizza_Place: Malnati's | shakes wrote: geez, talk about full on genius topic. First of all, Buffalo loves hockey and watches the SCF with or without Kane in it. Second of all, yea let's trade one of our big 3, a guy who was on his way to leading the league in scoring this year and is once again scoring in the playoffs. Yea, let's trade that guy cause of the cap. Third of all, Buffalo is in the early stages of a rebuild and has a stockpile of very young talent. By the time they are maturing Kane will be closing in on 30. So, from their end they have just as little interest in tradeing for Kane as we have for getting rid of him. And to top it off, there is no way they would trade their top draft pick this year straight up for Kane. Jack Eichel is going to be a grade A stud. No chance in hell they trade him for Kane. And on the flipside, the Hawks have no interest in that deal either despite how good Eichel projects...we are in win now mode. No need to trade a boat for a mystery box just because it might contain a similar or slightly better boat. Such a dumb post on so many levels. You only pay attention to the Hawks once every 2 years and only for the final series, please just sit back and enjoy it rather than trying so hard to make an ass of yourself. Most entertaining thread on the board since Theo was first hired. _________________ Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The victims are the American People and the Republic itself. | |||
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IMU | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:59 pm | ||
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am Posts: 25181 Location: Cultural Mecca pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's | shakes wrote: You don't respond to the Cap crunch by trading away your studs. You trade away the role players and try to replace them with younger versions. Case in point, the Panerin signing. I'm the guy that doesn't like Patrick Kane. _________________ | ||
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pittmike | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:07 pm | ||
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm Posts: 40123 Location: Everywhere pizza_Place: giordanos | badrogue17 wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Darkside wrote: Kane is better than a couple first rounders. I think that would depend on who those first rounders are, wouldn't it? I doubt they trade Kane but I wouldn't be completely shocked if they did. I wouldn't deal Kris Bryant for him. This is about the only smart thing in this stupid thread. _________________ | ||
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Minooka Meatball | Post subject: Re: Should they trade Kane? Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:34 pm | ||
Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 7984 pizza_Place: Rosati's | It would have merited a few seconds of cnsideration, say, back in 2012. Since then? No. f*cking. Way. _________________ | ||
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